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PS4 Pro Review and Discussion


Introduction:

 

Hello PS3imports, I'm Tenshi and this'll be my second Hardware Review for you guys and gals. Today I'll be reviewing the PlayStaion 4 Pro, the most powerful console ever built at this time of writing. My intentions are to inform, answer any questions you might have, and provide a thought out, somewhat wordy, opinion on why you should or shouldn't upgrade/jump into this piece of tech. If paragraphs aren't your thing don't worry, I'll have a "pros and cons" list down at the bottom. Remember a review is just a long-winded opinion, if you disagree don't take it personally! You're free to voice counter-opinions. Just as a disclaimer, I'm not a professional writer or journalist, I am compensated in no way for my reviews. Thanks for your time and Enjoy!

 

(This Review is aimed mostly at users still rocking 1080p TV/Monitor sets since that's what I am using. I'll try to touch on 4K as well, but you will most likely need a 4K Screen for best results. As a warning, this review will be image heavy considering the need to show the difference between Pro and Regular model PS4's.)

 

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Part 1: What's in the box, and Specs.

 

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So what's in the box?

  • PlayStation 4 Pro Model #: CUH-7000
  • Power Cord.
  • User Manuals
  • One Dual-Shock 4 Controller (New model)
  • One Micro-USB cable
  • One High-Speed HDMI Cable
  • A cheap single ear Mic for online chat.

 

About what you'd expect, everything you need to get your console experience started.

 

Let's check those specs.

  • A Custom x86-64 8 Core AMD "Jaguar" (Clocked @ 2.13GHz, OG PS4@ 1.6GHz)
  • AMD Radeon based GPU w/ 4.20TFLOPS of power. (A 128.3% increase over Regular/Slim PS4)
  • 8GB of GDDR5 System Memory
  • 1 GB DDR3 Ram (Reserved exclusively for System UI and App-switching)
  • A 1TB 5400 RPM HDD (Default at launch)
  • Blu-ray Drive, 6x Speed for BR, 8x Speed for DVD.
  • 3x USB 3.1 Ports

 

Specs wise, PlayStation 4 Pro is an upgrade in every conceivable way compared to the standard and newer Slim models. I'll get specific in the next section but hot damn! Just take those specs in! At an entry price of $399(USD) you'd be hard pressed to get power like this out of anything else currently. The addition of 1GB DDR3 Ram is exclusive to Pro models, and I'll detail that as well. Unfortunately games without a Pro patch will not be able to take advantage of the extra horsepower and so for legacy games the PS4 Pro will shut off half of it's GPU and downclock itself to Standard PS4 clockspeeds. PS4's lead designer, Mark Cerny, says this is to prevent random glitches in older games which are programmed for very specific clock speeds and parts. Considering how closed off consoles are, I think we can trust his words. It should be noted that in official Sony documentation all games after Sept. 2016 should be shipped with a Pro patch. Whether they actually enforce this, well, we'll just have to wait and see. (So far, the future looks bright though!)

 

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Part 2: What separates the Pro from the Slim/Regular?

 

Well the short of it is that it's a much more capable PS4. In this section I'll break down the technical aspects and get into the details for you. This part might be a bit overwhelming if you're not familiar with some technobabble and short-hand I like to use. If you tend to be technology illiterate remember that you're free to ask questions after the review! :thumbsup

 

CPU, GPU, and Custom Chips:

 

Let's start with the consoles CPU. Here what we actually have are two Quad-Core AMD designed "Jaguar" CPU modules which work in tandem, as if they were a single 8-core unit. These are clocked at 2.13 GHz (compared to 1.6GHz of the original PS4) for a theoretical peak performance of 134.4 GFLOPS. (OG PS4 peaks at around 102 GFLOPS). Nowadays the CPU of consoles generally tends to be the weakest part, and this is not without consequence. Fortunately for the Pro we are looking at a decent boost. It's nothing ground-breaking, but this higher frequency CPU will absolutely allow for a more stable frame-rate in games which are patched for Pro support. We should also see quicker processing of background tasks, and should developers pursue it, some more graphical effects which tend to be more CPU than GPU bound. These effects include but are not limited to: Draw/View distances, Amount of Objects on screen (think more people in crowds in AssCreed games), Certain Anti-Aliasing Techniques, and Particle Physics. Of course there are non-graphical upgrades too, one could be better A.I. but I imagine Sony wouldn't let that happen on account of wanting games to be equal among all PS4 users in every department but graphics.

 

Next up the GPU. Sony and AMD have basically shrunk (from a 28nm process to 16nm) and then doubled the original PS4's GPU. Here we find 2,304 cores spread across the PS4 Pro's 36 Compute Units (64 cores per CU). The GPU in Pro mode is upclocked to 911 MHz, compared to the originals 800MHz. This puts the Pro's theoretical peak performance at around 4,197 GFLOPS. Generally you'll see this rounded to 4.20 TFLOPS though. Overall you're looking at a 128.3% increase in graphical and compute power as compared to the Original and Slim model PS4's. Sony has more than doubled available power to Game devs.

 

Custom Chips: Like all PS4 models before it, the Pro includes several custom chips on it's motherboard. Sony have never really detailed many of these for security reasons, but we know about the following.

  • Separate Audio Processing Unit: Similar in nature to AMD's TrueAudio
  • On-die Memory controller responsible for maintaining the shared 8GB GDDR5 memory pool.
  • An Auxillary ARM-Processor with it's own pool of 256MB Ram, to assist with OS features and background tasks.
  • Baked into the PS4 Pro's GPU is a hardware level feature which helps the "checkerboard" rendering technique, making it easier to implement. (Details are VERY scarce on this feature at the moment.)

 

Graphics:

 

This is likely the main draw of the review. Arguably this is the section that will make or break it, entice you to upgrade or push you towards waiting. As a warning you should note that I cannot demonstrate true HDR benefits to you without an HDR Capable screen. HDR is a technology still in it's infancy, and sadly, the price of your TV likely dictates the quality of HDR you'll see. Cheaper sets will have cheaper implementations and expensive flagship TV's will have seemingly eye-melting, super bright, but very life-like implementations. If you'd like to read about HDR see here: http://www.digitaltr...-tvs-explained/

 

Let's talk about downsampling. Sony refers to this as "supersampling" lately, but the process has been around on PC for ages and we say "downsampling" because what your device is doing is taking an image being rendered internally at a higher resolution and scaling it down to your displays actual resolution. This generally results in a massive boost to overall image clarity and quality. It is currently the best possible form of anti-aliasing, and tends to add details on screen because you are compressing more pixels.

 

What PS4 Pro can do for you on a 1080p TV: Are you ready? (Click pictures for full-resolution)

 

PS4 Pro Titanfall 2
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Regular PS4:
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What you're seeing on the Pro version is better shadows, better lighting, better foliage, a lack of jaggies thanks to better AA, better texture details and less blur. What I can't show you in still images, is the FPS, and Titanfall also gains a SOLID 60 FPS on the PS4 Pro. (Compared to 60FPS with drops on OG PS4.)

 

COD4 Remaster FPS Comparison (via DigitalFoundry)
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Paragon:

 

Regular PS4:
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PS4 Pro:
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Skyrim 4K Mode downsampled to 1080p

 

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Skyrim on a Regular PS4

 

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Horizon Zero Dawn @ 4K on Pro: (Best viewed on 4k display)
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Horizon Zero Dawn Downsampled to 1080p on Pro:
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Notice here that in the 4k shot you get a great amount of detail but Aliasing and edge artifacts are present. However in the downsampled shot your jaggies disappear and the IQ is cleaned up. Of course some finer details are lost, but this is why I argue that 1080p TV owners will actually get the better deal with PS4Pro. (Not to downplay how much of an improvement it will be for 4K TV users.) The important thing to keep in mind here is that this is just the beginning and these examples are just a few of many already floating the net.

 

Here is a list of games already prepped for Pro's launch: http://blog.us.plays...ps4-pro-launch/

 

The benefits don't stop there, for VR games we also tend to have better... well everything. Most importantly for VR, higher and more stable FPS.

 

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Weight, Look, and Balance:

 

The PS4 Pro is slightly heavier than it's original counter-part. Sitting at around 7.3 pounds, while the newer slim manages a cool 4.6 pounds. I can't imagine this will matter to too many people, a home console doesn't tend to be something you carry around often... right?

 

As for looks...

 

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I've heard mixed opinions on it. Some compare it to a big mac, but personally I think it falls in line with the PS4 design philosophy just fine. It's tiered, it's sleek, and it's obviously a part of the PlayStation family. I like that they kept the LED strip, it has been moved though obviously. An important note here is that those old touchy capacitive buttons are gone and they are now replaced with actual clicky mechanical buttons. No more accidental disk ejects or power offs! No more static build-up!

 

Remember how your old PS4 did this?

 

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The wobble was caused because the original PS4 only had 3 feet and they weren't very stable. This was a wide-spread complaint, if a bit overblown. Worry not however, the Slim and Pro models now come with 8 feet for maximum stability! (Somewhat joking lol)

 

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Power and Extra USB:

 

The PS4 Pro is manufactured from new parts and on a smaller process than the original model. Like the slim Sony has opted for a 16nm process to create the APU and other parts which run the PS4. Overall this has led to more energy efficiency, except when running games in their Pro modes. This lines up of course with the increase in soecs. The PS4 Pro's has a stronger power supply, rated for 310 Watts total. You'll also notice that because of this it comes with a heavy-duty power cord similar to what you saw with "Phat" PS3's.

 

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Also of note, the PS4 Pro is the only model to sport 3 USB ports. Specifically the Pro's extra USB port is in the back, and this is perfect for those of you wanting to hide some of your PSVR wire mess.

 

HDD and Memory:

 

All PS4 Pro models will be launching with a 1TB HDD as a standard. What's interesting though is that exclusive to the PS4 Pro model, Sony has opted for a SATA III port as the HDD connector. In theory this will allow the PS4 to better take advantage of faster HDD/SSD's that you can install yourself.

 

System Memory remains the same 8GB GDDR5 pool as the standard PS4, although bandwidth has increased to 218 GB/s which will help the Pro load better textures on screen faster. A 1GB DDR3 segment of memory was added exclusively to the Pro model which is dedicated for App-switching and hosting high-res UI elements. Mark Cerny later revealed that it also frees up to 512MB of the 8GB GDDR5 RAM which was previously held in reserve by the system for these things. This means developers will be able to use an extra 512MB of RAM exclusively on the Pro and this will likely go towards better textures.

 

Networking:

 

The PS4 Pro model plays host to a new Wi-Fi card capable of utilizing the 5GHz frequency that has become more common over the last couple years in high-end routers. 5GHz is a much faster frequency than your standard 2.4, and PS4 Pro is the only PlayStation console capable of tapping into that. Also of note is that because 5GHz frequency is newer, and somewhat more rare among consumers, there generally tends to be less interference on this channel in populated areas. An excerpt from NetGear on bandwidth:

 

"Higher frequencies allow faster transmission of data, also known as bandwidth. Higher bandwidth means that files will download and upload faster, and high-bandwidth applications such as streaming video will perform much smoother and faster. Therefore, the 5GHz with its higher bandwidth will provide much faster data connections than 2.4 GHz."

 

Of course if you prefer a solid ethernet connection, fret not, of course the PS4 Pro also supports a wired connection to the internet.

 

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Part 3: Should you upgrade?

 

If you're happy with your current PS4 and plan to run it 'til it's dead than you can probably afford to put the Pro off for now. As it is, PS4 Pro is just an extension of the PS4 family. It will play all the same games as the regular PS4, and Sony has mandated that there can be no exclusives for the PS4Pro at this time. When you take a long look at all of it's increased specs and new features, and you find yourself doubting or questioning whether you need them, I would just wait. The PS4 Pro won't sell out, and it's bound to get price drops in the future. If you're one of those guys who complains about a loud PS4, I'm sad to tell you that early reviews and recordings put the Pro on the same footing as the launch PS4 in terms of noise, especially when running in Pro mode. (I believe Eurogamer recorded 55dB peak and noted it could be heard from across the room) This shouldn't come as too much of a surprise, the cost of more powerful tech is more electricity and electricity makes heat which the console needs to cool. However if you find your PS4 dead or dying, and you're not hard up for cash than the PS4 Pro becomes a no brainer, even for the doubters.

 

On the flip-side, if you are an enthusiast, a hardcore PlayStation fan, someone who likes graphics, or maybe you just want the best possible PS4 Experience? Then Yes, a million times, Yes. I cannot recommend the PS4 Pro enough. Not only is it a step up from the regular PS4 on all fronts, by all accounts, and for all purposes, but it is in-fact the most powerful home console ever built at this moment. Going forward all PS4 games will have a Pro patch, and though we're uncertain of what exactly those patches will increase we know it will only bring benefits. The bottom line is that PlayStation 4 Pro will be the best possible way to experience all of your console games for the time being. With block busters like FFXV, Battlefield 1, Call of Duty, and many more already promising support, you can rest assured that you'll be playing these games at their best in the home console space. I really would like to stress that at this price point, Sony's PS4 Pro is unmatched by any other consumer grade electronics, a comparable PC with all the bells and whistles would cost at least double. There are literally no downsides to upgrading if you've got the money or enthusiasm. At the very least, you're looking at greatly improved image quality, more stable FPS, and better multi-tasking.

 

Finally as a general reminder I'd like to point out that HDR is available on regular PS4's as well, but if you have a 4K display capable of HDR you will obviously be better suited with the Pro. With a regular PS4, you're just going to get 900-1080(ish)p images upscaled to your 4K TV. With the Pro however you'll be getting images rendered much closer to 4k, some games even native(Like Skyrim), resulting in a much cleaner and detailed picture. I have aimed this review at those of us with 1080p sets, but Sony's marketing is railing hard for 4K users and with good reason. You guys will absolutely notice a difference.

 

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Part 4: The TL:DR, Pros and Cons.

 

Pros:

  • Guaranteed, no less than 1080p output on all future games.
  • Guaranteed enhanced graphical effects in all games patched for Pro support.
  • Automatic downsampling to 1080p will vastly improve overall Image Quality. (Not available on 4K displays)
  • That said, the higher resolutions will greatly improve 4K viewing experiences, offering much more detail.
  • Custom hardware chips and checkerboard rendering allows PS4Pro to punch above it's weight on 4K TV's.
  • More stable FPS thanks to a stronger CPU.
  • The best possible way to experience PS4 games will be with Pro.
  • Likewise the best possible way to experience PSVR Games will be with Pro.
  • An Extra USB 3.1 Port on the back of the machine might come in handy for VR users.
  • Pro is the only PlayStation console at this time which supports the faster 5Ghz Wi-Fi frequency.
  • An extra 1GB of DDR3 System Ram speeds up App-switching and frees up some memory for games to use.
Cons:
  • No UHD Blu-Ray Drive (I'm confused too, don't worry)
  • Technically speaking, most AAA games won't render in "Native" 4K.
  • Unable to boost performance of your non-patched games.
  • Game improvements left entirely at the mercy of developers.
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Part 5: Conclusion

 

Time to wrap up my second review now. Hopefully you're walking away from this a bit more informed, it is one heck of read looking back on it. No matter how you slice it, Sony has managed to put forth a machine which improves on the normal/slim PS4 in all fronts. You simply cannot go wrong with it. I love technology and follow the Video Game industry with a great amount of passion. Even with a beefy PC like mine I simply must say, the PS4 Pro is an impressive piece of tech that belongs in every PlayStation enthusiast's collection. Going forward it will be the absolute best way to experience PS4 games and there is no way to get around that.

 

And now the curtains must close. As always I welcome feedback, good or bad, I'll take it on the chin! Feel free to argue my points or ask questions, I'm quite active here and I'll try to answer them to the best of my ability. Once more I thank you all for your time and hope you enjoyed this in-depth review of the PS4 Pro.

 

PS4 Pro is released on November 10th World-Wide, at $399, €399, £349, and ¥44,980.



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Choice Quotes: Professional Reviews

 

"Has PlayStation 4 Pro managed to live up to its marketing? By and large, yes. At its best, it is capable of producing compelling results at native 4K. Stack up Rise of the Tomb Raider on Pro against an ultra high-end PC and run them side-by-side and you'll see that most of the 4K clarity is there, much of the detail is there and frame-rate remains the clearest differentiating factor. But the fact that a £350/$399 box is capable of even competing is a remarkable achievement." -- EuroGamer

 

"Sony's played it smart here: the PS4 Pro does not fundamentally change the existing PS4 experience – it merely adds a layer of icing and places a cherry on top. Enthusiasts looking for the best PlayStation visuals will want this box – but no one is being left behind." -- PushSquare.com Video Impression

 

 

Also, I really would love to discuss the console with you guys and answer any questions you might have. Let's do it. Let us hype together. :D

Nice review, I am getting one but still have to wait two days to get mine.

I really want to try it out with the VR and I seen it in action with a few games at PAX Australia on the weekend and it really does look amazing.

I am trying to find more information out on if the console should be left flat or if standing it up would be ok. In the past standing optical media drives up were never a good idea in the long run, but I am really starting to run out of room to have another console laying down. Unless I change the Pro and the standard around so I can lay the Pro down.

Well if it makes you feel any better Fisty, they unveiled the Pro standing vertical, they hosted an event where all of them were standing vertical in glass boxes while playing games (Future of Play Event, London 2016), and they have an official stand coming out that will help to mount it vertical. Oddly, all their marketing materials show it in an upright position as well lol. The new feet on the bottom of the console obviously indicate they put some thought into laying it flat, but to be honest with you I really don't think having it vertical will cause harm. Sony doesn't seem to think so anyway.

Very informative review, nice that you included a lot of tech data too. I think i will be getting a PS4 pro as well, but after VR purchase I need to lay low for a while :)

The pictures between PS4 and PS4 are whole lot different, I do have a 4K TV (curved), so games should look sweet.

 

I like all the aspects that you talked about from the CPU, graphics, RAM, cables and prices.

 

Also keep in mind that images and video are compressed and you would also need 4k monitors with HDR to see what they are intended to show.  

Also keep in mind that images and video are compressed and you would also need 4k monitors with HDR to see what they are intended to show.  

 

Yes to compression, except for the (.png) images which most of them are thankfully. And actually the only game I've chosen to show with HDR implementation at the moment is Horizon, and it's first shot is the only one 4k shot in the review. I chose the pictures mostly based on knowing that I'd have to show people a clear difference on their computer/mobile screens. Which aren't 4k yet, and which definitely aren't HDR yet lol. I would have liked to maybe fit a bit more 4k content in the review, but let's be honest, how many people here have their PC's hooked up to their 4K tv's?

 

... well that and 4K images are just massive. If you don't compress them they can be like 20-30MB all by themselves. I think Sony's own marketing will be enough to grab most 4K users attention, that's really why I wanted to aim my review at 1080p users, let them know their are benefits for us too. Benefits for everyone. You can't go wrong with the Pro no matter how you slice it. :D

 

It's my understanding also, that VR games at least with the first PSVR headset will never be HDR. The box doesn't pass that information through, and I don't think the inside screens are capable anyway.

 

Edit: Also Thanks Skroq! I didn't wanna downplay 4k content, but it's hard to show on just a forum. PS4 Pro will look amazing on 4K, at the very least, it'll be much better picture clarity than a regular PS4!

To be honest:

I did not read the whole review. To long to read for me in a foreign language (well usually I never read reviews even if they are in my own language).

BUT:

WHAT A GREAT WORK!!!

Writing this must have taken hours and hours. My respect!

And then all those pictures....... really well done!

I ordered my PS4 pro today - not least because of this thread - and get it tomorrow.

Thank you Tenshi!

To be honest:

I did not read the whole review. To long to read for me in a foreign language (well usually I never read reviews even if they are in my own language).

BUT:

WHAT A GREAT WORK!!!

Writing this must have taken hours and hours. My respect!

And then all those pictures....... really well done!

I ordered my PS4 pro today - not least because of this thread - and get it tomorrow.

Thank you Tenshi!

 

Wunderbar JoJo! :thumbsup And thanks for your kind words.

 

It took two afternoons, about six hours each session, so somewhere around 12 hours. :sweat But I was very dedicated to getting it out there for PS3imports before the console releases so people can be informed and decide beforehand if they wanna pre-order or not. I was very happy to release it and I am very hyped for Pro myself. Just one more day! :woot

Most impressing for me:

 

Skyrim 4K Mode downsampled to 1080p

that picture.......

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Nov 09 2016 04:20 PM

I love this review :) thank you for writing this

Got my PS4 Pro today...... transferring all accounts and saves and games and so on from my white normal PS4 took nearly 1 hour (a little bit more).

 

Is started only Rise of the Tomb Raider right now. Not a good graphics game so far but WTF????

The graphics are 10 times better than before! And I don't have a 4k TV right now. Only a 55" full HD.

I am very very surprised how good the graphics are! And I did never care about graphics while gaming before.

 

And I really LOVE the new controller! With a light bar at touchpad!

Hoping the battery pack now lasts longer so far.....

 

However: I don't adore this bought!

 

I am happy right now :)

 

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And the best thing is:

I have a 100.000mBit Internet. My two older PS4's never reached more than 25.000 mBit/s

via WLAN (and if they did that was great..... 8.000 was usual or even less).... Even if the rooter is in the same room.

This one: 65.000 first trial!

Got my PS4 Pro today...... transferring all accounts and saves and games and so on from my white normal PS4 took nearly 1 hour (a little bit more).

 

Is started only Rise of the Tomb Raider right now. Not a good graphics game so far but WTF????

The graphics are 10 times better than before! And I don't have a 4k TV right now. Only a 55" full HD.

I am very very surprised how good the graphics are! And I did never care about graphics while gaming before.

 

And I really LOVE the new controller! With a light bar at touchpad!

Hoping the battery pack now lasts longer so far.....

 

However: I don't adore this bought!

 

I am happy right now :)

 

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And the best thing is:

I have a 100.000mBit Internet. My two older PS4's never reached more than 25.000 mBit/s

via WLAN (and if they did that was great..... 8.000 was usual or even less).... Even if the rooter is in the same room.

This one: 65.000 first trial!

 

 

Yep! PS4 Pro has a way better network card. Better Wi-fi and LAN speeds all around.

 

Are you playing Tomb Raider at 4K mode (which downsamples on your TV) or the 1080p full-graphics mode? I just got my Pro and am about to hook it up myself. I'm so excited!! :woot :woot :woot

14 Hour stress test, between Titanfall 2 (which is amazingly crisp and 60 FPS) and the chaos of Battlefield 1's 64-player Conquest/Operations... PS4 Pro holds up very well, not very loud for me and not hot but a little warm. I would actually say my desktop PC is noisier lol. Maybe I got a good Pro though.

 

I've had no issues, everything is fast and snappy, I honestly couldn't be more happier. Also since I've been away from PSN for so long a lot of the new stuff is quite nice.

 

Are you playing Tomb Raider at 4K mode (which downsamples on your TV) or the 1080p full-graphics mode? I just got my Pro and am about to hook it up myself. I'm so excited!! :woot :woot :woot

 

4K mode.

 

Which one of the following is the 1080p full-graphics mode?

  • High image rate
  • Improved graphics

Improved graphics is a 1080p mode with all the effects turned on. Equivalent to PC Ultra basically, they lock it to 30 FPS and turn the graphics on max lol.

 

High-Image rate is unlocked frame-rate which hovers near 60.

Nice review, I am getting one but still have to wait two days to get mine.

I really want to try it out with the VR and I seen it in action with a few games at PAX Australia on the weekend and it really does look amazing.

I am trying to find more information out on if the console should be left flat or if standing it up would be ok. In the past standing optical media drives up were never a good idea in the long run, but I am really starting to run out of room to have another console laying down. Unless I change the Pro and the standard around so I can lay the Pro down.

 

As a follow-up, I've since imported a vertical stand (they're all sold out in America and no one seems to know when it'll be restocked) and stood mine up with no issues for 3 weeks now. It actually seems to run cooler and I haven't heard any weird noises either. Considering all games install to the HDD, I don't forsee any long term use issues with the optical drive.

 

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Also since I've written this I have upgraded to a 4K TV myself. ... It's quite stunning.

 

Skyrim which runs at Native 4K on the Pro is sometimes jaw-dropping in how good it looks... and that's really saying something considering it's a last-gen game.

 

FFXV benefitted quite nicely in the High resolution mode and HDR is something you have to see to believe. Probably the best implementation of HDR in gaming right now...

Great review Tenshi, gonna use this topic for some of my own questions :D, hope that's no problem. Perhaps you and some of the other members can spill your thoughts on some of the things I write down..

 

I'm wondering how many of you guys own the ps4 pro and have used it on a 4K screen without issues. Really curious to read about your experiences.

 

I have been on the edge of buying the Pro a few times. At the moment I own an early 2015 4k screen, so HDR is a no no. So many topics out there with people that have been experiencing all sort of signal problems. People with older 4K tv models but also a lot of people with the newest 4K tv's out there, spread over all kinds of brands.

 

From black screens, to sound issues, to temp fixes which are lost after rebooting the system. Some brands have provided updates for there top models, but that still does not help out the majority.

 

Even with an early 2015 model I'm lucky all my hdmi ports are 2.0 and all of them support hdcp 2.2 (this only has to do with copyright protection correct?). So resolution wise I should be able to play it on 4K without major issues. Hdmi 2.0a is needed for HDR, which my tv does not offer.

 

What confuses me are the 4K options the Pro offers: 2160p RGB & 2160 YUV420. From what I understood (and believe me I'm a tech noob) 2160p RGB is what you want (something with uncompressed visuals?!). But I can't figure out if both of these options run at 60fps? Or do these options have nothing to do with that?

 

To me graphics are less important than matters like: stability, fluency, input lag. HDR adds input lag so I'm really not bothered on missing out on that. Still if I end up buying this console and playing it at 1080p on a 4K screen that would be somewhat silly. On the other hand with the 'boost' modus that will be added in the new major firmware update and the fact that the Pro is an enchanded version of the normal ps4 which will add to the speed in UI and loading times, to me these are valid reasons to just buy it right away. And even though I use a cable for internet connection most of the time, the improved 5ghz wi-fi connection is a nice add. Although that should also have been included in the first generation ps4 imho.

 

Getting it or not is not a money or purchase issue, not at all. As a die hard gamer it just kind of annoys me that all these facts remain so 'vague' to me. It's like I just need to buy it and 'see' what happens on my specific screen...

No problemo, it's a discussion thread as well as a review after all. One of these days I should amend the review a bit, what with boost mode coming out soon and a couple other changes.

 

So when I started with the Pro I had a 1080p LG TV, no issues. Everything downsampled fine, and worked as intended.

 

Around the middle of December, I upgraded to a 4K TV, the 43-inch Sony X800D (Europeans have a different model number though, so beware if you google this.) Again, no issues, everything works as intended. For the PS4 Pro in specific, you'll want to put it on an "enhanced HDMI port" to allow HDR if you ever get a TV that supports it.

 

HDCP is a type of physical DRM, yeah. As far as PS4 is concerned it really only matters for 4K Streaming like Netflix/Hulu/Amazon.

 

2160p RGB is the ideal option, as it allows your device to replicate all colors on the scale. Red: 0-255 Green: 0-255 Blue: 0-255. YUV420 and YUV 422 start culling out colors to save bandwidth though. I forget exactly but their ranges are more closer to like RGB 18-234 (something like that) it's less color possibilities overall. To really understand this stuff you gotta get real technical.

 

HDR is more than just deeper or brighter colors. It's generally a combination of 10-bit color, and heightened luminance. HDR needs both of these things to compliment each other.

 

The problem is, most games, movies, tv shows, etc... are all filmed or made in a limited color-space. FFXV and The Last of Us remastered for example, despite being great HDR implementations actually force the Pro into YUV 4:2:2 mode because the games aren't using the full color range. For this reason it is best to leave the majority of your TV's and PS4 Pro's video settings on Auto. (So that they can communicate between devices and switch formats as needed.)

 

I have my PS4 set for 2160p RGB, and it does 60 FPS stuff just fine like Titanfall 2 for example. I don't think there are any native 4K 60FPS games on PS4/Pro, and because of the limitations in power of the hardware we're unlikely to ever see that in PS4/Pro's lifetime.

 

Another important aspect is having a High-Speed HDMI cable. You need to be specific about it, because there are differences between standard and High-Speed cables. The Pro does come with a High-speed one though.

 

HDR and input lag is a problem which is getting taken care of slowly but surely. My TV has less than 30ms input lag in Game mode even with HDR. I guess that's less than a 3rd of a second which means for the majority of humans, it should be unnoticeable. The real input lag stuff comes from image processing the TV likes to add. Game mode disables most of it though, thankfully. (It's all stuff you wouldn't wanna use anyway.)

 

Uh anyway.

 

In summary, you've got a 4K TV and at the very least would benefit from the resolution bumps. Because of the older HDMI specs you might be forced into YUV 4:2:2 or YUV 4:2:0, it would likely depend on a per-game basis. You should otherwise be able to set your PS4 to 2160p RGB without issue, barring any handshake issues between TV and console.

 

Boost mode will help in all games without Pro patches, and it's all performance enhancements there due to higher clocks. TV won't effect this, so it's another benefit.

 

Pro also has better Wi-fi thanks to a stronger network card. :thumbsup

Damn Tenshi! Thanks for the quick and thorough answer, seems like you really know what you are talking about. Even better you write it down in a way that a noob like me is able to follow it!

 

I would like to go through some parts to see if I have understood you correctly.

 

- HDCP

So this 'DRM', if disabled will only block me from using 4k content on the Ps4 Pro through the specific apps you mentioned. It won't hurt me gaming wise at all? From what I read the hdpc setting is a major part in the issues some people are having, while connecting there Pro to their 4K screens. Even when their hdmi ports are 2.0 and do support hdcp 2.2. Disabling might be the easiest option if I would bump into these kind of issues. The Pro has this disable option in the settings right? I could disable it entirely without creating other issues?

 

- RGB vs YUV

Very interesting stuff buddy! So besides color range, performance wise there is simply no difference? it's all graphical and visual enhancements we are talking about. Even if my old 4K screen forces me in a YUV420 mode I will be able to reach the same fps as the RGB mode, as long as the game supports 4k/60fps? Also supported games still give the player ingame options to 'choose' their settings right? For example if I would prefer fps over resolution I could choose 1080p/60fps if it would run 'only' on 30fps at 2160p? Please correct me if I'm wrong :D

 

- HDR

Very nice that your screen is at less than 30ms at 4k + HDR. That's not bad at all! This old 4K screen of mine is at 38,2ms in game mode, and the way I have calibrated it it's at 38ms (with gamemode off) and that's without HDR :(. I agree this is not a major factor. But there have been some games where I grabbed my pc screen with 1ms input lag because it would bug me even with the slightest delay, the one that's the best example: OlliOlli 1 + 2. Even that small fraction of a second was killing, for the combo runs and perfect landings! In the future when screens including HDR reach even lower input lags I will upgrade for sure to one that provides the total package.

 

- Auto options

So to reach a sort of conclusion, my best bet is to just buy the damn machine. Hook it up. Put everything to 'auto' and pray all will work from the start. If it does not, well...then I will have some work cut out for me and need to mess with the settings to get it to work for me. Is there any chance it will not work at all at 4K? (My screen is the Panasonic 55Inch CX700 serie) 

 

- YUV 422

BTW I read some more info regarding the YUV 422. Is it basically saying that when you use the ps4 pro in 2160p RGB, and play a game that supports HDR, it puts you into YUV 422? And that's why YUV422 is not an option that can be chosen manually on the Pro?

 

''At first, I thought that I could get 10-bit (HDR) video only with output mode set to 2160p YUV420 because 2160p HDR RGB exceeds the bandwidth limit. However, when you play HDR contents with output mode set to 2160p RGB, PS4 Pro actually outputs in 2160p 12-bit (HDR) YUV422 (17.82Gbps). So, what is this mode?

 

RGB is uncompressed, while YUV420 is 1/2 compressed. Similarly, YUV422 is 2/3 compressed. It provides better video quality than YUV420 but not so good as RGB. The HDR mode used in PS4 is 10-bit HDR. However, there is no video mode in HDMI 2.0 standard for 10-bit YUV422, so 12-bit YUV422 video mode is used instead, where 2 bits are padded with zero.

 

In sum, 2160p 12-bit (HDR) YUV422 is the best video quality Sony could provide given this and that limits of HDMI 2.0, and you could only get it when PS4’s video output is set to 2160p RGB. If you choose 2160p YUV420, compared to 2160p RGB, you will get only 1/2 video data for SDR contents, and only 3/4 video data for HDR contents, respectively.''

The only way which HDCP will affect your gaming is when you try to stream, you won't be able to stream in 1080p HD or higher. This doesn't have anything to do with the games, but relates to the streaming of HD Media. To clear your mind, lemme say that my old LG TV only had up to HDCP 1.4, and so I was locked out of the HD Streaming... BUT, games with Pro patches still played at their higher resolutions and downsampled to fit my display. So yes, even without HDCP 2.2, your games will get the benefits as intended.

 

- RGB Vs YUV

Yes, target FPS of a game will remain the same regardless of the color gamut being used. You really only have to worry about FPS when you have a high-power PC trying to push 4K or higher, 100+ FPS, and WCG (Wide-color Gamut/HDR metadata). The PS4 Pro won't be doing that ever in it's lifetime lol. And for that situation you would want a "displayport." (Atleast until the next version of HDMI is out.) Games with Pro patches vary in how the player is able to control them. TLOU R for example doesn't give you an option for resolution it just auto-detects your TV and picks 1080 or 4K. For 4K users though, you there are toggles in the options menu for HDR and Performance mode (which drops you to 1080p, but 60FPS instead of 30). FFXV has 3 different options available to Pro users now, one of which is a performance one for uncapped frames which hovers around 45 FPS. It also has an HDR toggle. Rise of the Tomb Raider is another example of a game which gives the Pro user lots of control, 3 different modes between High FPS, High Graphics, and 4K with some lower texture settings.

 

On the flip-side there are pro enhanced games which don't let you choose. Titanfall 2 displays at 1440p 60 FPS locked, and chooses to boost textures, shadows, and texture filtering without you ever clicking a thing. It just detects you have a PS4 Pro and bam. Battlefield 1 is the same. Assassin's Creed the Ezio collection also the same, if it detects you have a 4K display, it will give you 4K 30 FPS locked. If it detects you have a 1080p display it will lock you to 1080p 30, for reasons unknown. So it basically comes down to game-by-game basis for improvements you can expect. You can be confident though, that as long the game detects you have a Pro and as long as the Pro detects you have a 4K display, you will see the best Pro has to offer.

 

- Auto options

I mean, as long as you have an HDMI port on the TV which supports 4K, a high-speed HDMI cable, and a working PS4 Pro... I don't honestly see it denying you any of the game benefits. At worse you'd have to disable HDCP. Now that I think about it, since you're not going to be using HDR you mine as well just force to the PS4 to display 2160p RGB in the video options and leave it there. Only games with HDR will want to switch to YUV but again, no HDR, no switching. I did some googling right now, and troubleshooting seems easy enough if anything did come up. For example: https://www.forbes.c...y/#a99791726aa0

 

Concerning the last half of your post, yes it is true. Currently there are no games which support HDR and a full-spectrum RGB color range. So as I mentioned earlier, when you enable HDR in games like FFXV or TLOUR they auto-drop your PS4 down into YUV 4:2:2. I sort of know why, and sort of don't. I haven't done too much reading on it, but my take is that the technology just isn't there yet or Bandwidth on HDMI is too constrained at this time. Or maybe it's just that PS4 Pro opts to use 10-bit HDR because Dolby is a bunch of greedy buttheads who patented 12-bit and charge a fortune for licensing fees. 12-bit Panel TV's are really expensive, like those $4000+ LG models lol.

 

Like your quote said, the 12-bit PS4 Pro is capable of is kind of a fake one only on the YUV 4:2:2 color gamut and extra data is falsified with those 0's. There are tech companies working on a non-exclusive 12-bit+ color technology, and we should see that in future TV's and PS5. For now, Dolby is king of the HDR field cuz of their patent.

Thanks again for your wonderful input. I'm seriously over the edge and am planning to buy the Pro within a few weeks. Hopefully it will be a good match with my current TV.

 

Even in the case of not getting it to function properly, we might be able to discuss it further through this topic. But the way you have described things has made a lot much clearer to me. Fingers crossed I wont run into issues.

 

A friend of mine who has an even older 2014 4K Philips screen is having major issues as we speak. He suffers from a black screen everytime he reboots the Pro system.. He needs to go into safe mode. Put it to HDCP 1.4 only, start the ps4 again. Then go into options and put it to 'auto' and all will be fine (2160p, yuv 420, hdcp 2,2). After turning his Pro off and on again, the same problem is back again.

 

After reading your answers, I asked him to just put it on 1080p manually and see what happens, but also in that case after a reboot: black screen. Since he does use the 4k netflix app, disabling HDCP is not his preferred option. However he told me he will try to leave it on HDCP 1,4 only or turn the HDCP off entirely and let me know how that works out for him. Im curious to see if that at least resolves his no signal problem after rebooting the console.

 

In my case I dont need those streaming apps, my TV has those apps already, no need to use them through a Pro system :)