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Forum Permissions - Guest's View Of Forum/Trophy Guides


As noted a week or two ago, we had some issues with forum permissions and people not being able to see guides/posts in certain areas. This was due to an error in forum permissions which should now be corrected across the board. There is an issue with our forum software that bugged out once we hit 1,000+ forum/sub-forums so I was lucky enough to have to go through the permissions on each of those 1,000+ forums and click the boxes on each one.

For any conspiracy theorists out there, we did not change any permissions on purpose to drive people to join or to stop anyone form seeing guides. It was really just a fix in the forum permissions that needed to get done.

That said, we also have had a handful of guides restricted to certain member groups only. People are wondering why we have done this and the answer is simple. While some people (and I am one of these) think all guides should be view-able to the public, we (as a staff and a site) actually place the guide creators' wishes above all else. That means if someone here writes a guide and they want it to be for premium/junior members only, that is what we allow the guide creator to do.

We allow you to do as you please with the content you create, within the restrictions our forum software allows. That even means if you decide to not be a member here any longer and wish for any guides you created to be taken down, we will do that, no questions asked.

People may wonder how to have guides being hidden from public view can be avoided. While there is no real answer, as it is up to the creator of each guide and how he or she wants it to be shown, a little bit of thanks goes a long way. I've seen it (very recently) said that guide creators shouldn't care about feedback or thanks, they should just write guides and not want anything back. Even if that anything is as simple as a "thank you". I'm pretty sure that thought process is only held by those who use and abuse, not those that have ever contributed to a community. Guides take extensive time and effort to create and some of these creators really appreciate a thank you or even a tip on a certain section that maybe worked better for you. So if you use guides here, why not join and just post a simple thank you for that platinum someone else helped you earn?

This site is nothing without its members and we do not own our members, they control their content. Want to be a junior member? Contribute quality reviews and guides, help with a few boosts. The staff is always watching to see who helps and can be an asset to what is easily the number one source of info on stacking and Japanese games on the internet.

Thanks to everyone who's made this site what it is! We look forward to the future members help us continue making this site what it is as well! Now go get those platinums!

43 Comments

Who is on Bobby's account at the moment? I refuse to believe he wrote it all himself :turned

 

Just joking. Nicely written! I just wanted to say its nice to give something to the community and it always comes back to You doubled. Its great to be a part of this community and it enhanced my gaming experience to the whole new level.

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Busdriver1205
Feb 28 2014 01:12 PM
Indeed a simple thanx is no effort at all. Im glad i decided to get in this site more and more. Keep up the good work.

As much as i agree with this post it wont change a thing. You relise how many people probably just stop by just to see the guides then leave. Unless you force people to 100% do it the average visiter will never say thank just veiw the guide and be on there way. I know serveral people who view the guides he and never join and have no plain. If it was forced appon people to do so or everything is locked they would try harder but there no garantee after there able if they would continue as 90% of people just dont care enough. IT may see like more people here care but its because there a bunch of nice ragular member here who do contrinue but what about all them people who never joined the forum or are just join for the sake of joining, IT also may seem like more people around here because japanese games have a much more limited audiance then a world wide released game. IT still dont change the fact beg for thank yous and contributions the averge person will never do it. i beet if half these guides were blocked a lot of platinums would never be obtained as well because they wouldnt care enough to contribute to be able to see them there only taking advantage of it because the general public can see most everything here.

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mattybell2117
Feb 28 2014 04:35 PM

As much as i agree with this post it wont change a thing. You relise how many people probably just stop by just to see the guides then leave. Unless you force people to 100% do it the average visiter will never say thank just veiw the guide and be on there way. I know serveral people who view the guides he and never join and have no plain. If it was forced appon people to do so or everything is locked they would try harder but there no garantee after there able if they would continue as 90% of people just dont care enough. IT may see like more people here care but its because there a bunch of nice ragular member here who do contrinue but what about all them people who never joined the forum or are just join for the sake of joining, IT also may seem like more people around here because japanese games have a much more limited audiance then a world wide released game. IT still dont change the fact beg for thank yous and contributions the averge person will never do it. i beet if half these guides were blocked a lot of platinums would never be obtained as well because they wouldnt care enough to contribute to be able to see them there only taking advantage of it because the general public can see most everything here.

 

Who cares about them? Fuck em. They're just using someone else's hard work for their own gain and never reciprocating anything of value. These aren't the people this site wants to cater to, we want to cater to our own or more specifically in this case, our own guide writers. I'd rather upset 10,000 of these faceless scrubs who use the guides here and give nothing in return than upset a single guide writer on our site. 

 

 


We allow you to do as you please with the content you create, within the restrictions our forum software allows. That even means if you decide to not be a member here any longer and wish for any guides you created to be taken down, we will do that, no questions asked.

 

I don't know why this needed to be mentioned. Is there really a site out there that assumes control over what other people have written? 

 

As much as i agree with this post it wont change a thing. You relise how many people probably just stop by just to see the guides then leave. Unless you force people to 100% do it the average visiter will never say thank just veiw the guide and be on there way. I know serveral people who view the guides he and never join and have no plain. If it was forced appon people to do so or everything is locked they would try harder but there no garantee after there able if they would continue as 90% of people just dont care enough. IT may see like more people here care but its because there a bunch of nice ragular member here who do contrinue but what about all them people who never joined the forum or are just join for the sake of joining, IT also may seem like more people around here because japanese games have a much more limited audiance then a world wide released game. IT still dont change the fact beg for thank yous and contributions the averge person will never do it. i beet if half these guides were blocked a lot of platinums would never be obtained as well because they wouldnt care enough to contribute to be able to see them there only taking advantage of it because the general public can see most everything here.

 

Who cares about them? Fuck em. They're just using someone else's hard work for their own gain and never reciprocating anything of value. These aren't the people this site wants to cater to, we want to cater to our own or more specifically in this case, our own guide writers. I'd rather upset 10,000 of these faceless scrubs who use the guides here and give nothing in return than upset a single guide writer on our site. 

 

 

I was more or less pointing out a simple fact and you cant change it as long as everything is still viewable to to general public. Also you can not upset no one because its right there for all to see.

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Lord_Raiden
Feb 28 2014 04:39 PM

As much as i agree with this post it wont change a thing. You relise how many people probably just stop by just to see the guides then leave. Unless you force people to 100% do it the average visiter will never say thank just veiw the guide and be on there way. I know serveral people who view the guides he and never join and have no plain. If it was forced appon people to do so or everything is locked they would try harder but there no garantee after there able if they would continue as 90% of people just dont care enough. IT may see like more people here care but its because there a bunch of nice ragular member here who do contrinue but what about all them people who never joined the forum or are just join for the sake of joining, IT also may seem like more people around here because japanese games have a much more limited audiance then a world wide released game. IT still dont change the fact beg for thank yous and contributions the averge person will never do it. i beet if half these guides were blocked a lot of platinums would never be obtained as well because they wouldnt care enough to contribute to be able to see them there only taking advantage of it because the general public can see most everything here.



#1) you're right it won't change a thing
#2) thankfully I don't give a damn what you think

#3) still sounds to me like you're bitching about not being able to free load and just take advantage of everyone else's work.

I love the entitlent attitude. How were you lock stuff down because were entitled to if.

 

As much as i agree with this post it wont change a thing. You relise how many people probably just stop by just to see the guides then leave. Unless you force people to 100% do it the average visiter will never say thank just veiw the guide and be on there way. I know serveral people who view the guides he and never join and have no plain. If it was forced appon people to do so or everything is locked they would try harder but there no garantee after there able if they would continue as 90% of people just dont care enough. IT may see like more people here care but its because there a bunch of nice ragular member here who do contrinue but what about all them people who never joined the forum or are just join for the sake of joining, IT also may seem like more people around here because japanese games have a much more limited audiance then a world wide released game. IT still dont change the fact beg for thank yous and contributions the averge person will never do it. i beet if half these guides were blocked a lot of platinums would never be obtained as well because they wouldnt care enough to contribute to be able to see them there only taking advantage of it because the general public can see most everything here.



#1) you're right it won't change a thing
#2) thankfully I don't give a damn what you think

#3) still sounds to me like you're bitching about not being able to free load and just take advantage of everyone else's work.

I love the entitlent attitude. How were you lock stuff down because were entitled to if.

 

 

NA at this point its called learn to execpt and that people are freeloading because boom right there in the open for all to see. So like what make me feel like i have to contribute when its right there for me to see any anyone ells. Its just proving a point not that im complaining its more like trying to show why it wont change a thing. IT wont though so does it matter nope. More people would probably say thanks and contribute more if you forced it and they would care more because they had to earn it.

From what i understood (it was kinda hard due to massive wall of text and no formating) Geralds is only stating his opinion and facts. He said  he agree's with Bobby's post but it wont change too much as there are lots of people out there who dont care and just want to take and not give anything and that they will continue to do it as long as most of the guides are available to public.

 

We of course dont care about it too much. Guide locks are only due to request of the author's.

 

And a bit of advice for geralds, try to format Your text a bit, add some paragraph spacing etc and make it more "eye friendly".

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Lord_Raiden
Feb 28 2014 05:41 PM

As much as i agree with this post it wont change a thing. You relise how many people probably just stop by just to see the guides then leave. Unless you force people to 100% do it the average visiter will never say thank just veiw the guide and be on there way. I know serveral people who view the guides he and never join and have no plain. If it was forced appon people to do so or everything is locked they would try harder but there no garantee after there able if they would continue as 90% of people just dont care enough. IT may see like more people here care but its because there a bunch of nice ragular member here who do contrinue but what about all them people who never joined the forum or are just join for the sake of joining, IT also may seem like more people around here because japanese games have a much more limited audiance then a world wide released game. IT still dont change the fact beg for thank yous and contributions the averge person will never do it. i beet if half these guides were blocked a lot of platinums would never be obtained as well because they wouldnt care enough to contribute to be able to see them there only taking advantage of it because the general public can see most everything here.


#1) you're right it won't change a thing
#2) thankfully I don't give a damn what you think
#3) still sounds to me like you're bitching about not being able to free load and just take advantage of everyone else's work.
I love the entitlent attitude. How were you lock stuff down because were entitled to if.
 
NA at this point its called learn to execpt and that people are freeloading because boom right there in the open for all to see. So like what make me feel like i have to contribute when its right there for me to see any anyone ells. Its just proving a point not that im complaining its more like trying to show why it wont change a thing. IT wont though so does it matter nope. More people would probably say thanks and contribute more if you forced it and they would care more because they had to earn it.

I deal with elementry and middle school school kids all day and I still don't know what the hell you're talking about.

If English is not your native language (even though you have a US psn account) I'd come put and say that because I have no idea what you're saying

If you're saying that people show up, mooch the guide info and leave I agree with you. I can't remember the last time .org had a good JP guide. My question is, why the hell should we not care? Are you claiming that once that us created it belongs to everyone? It's community, and by community I mean everyone who wanders through

You said it, I think, you know several people who use the guides and have no intention of signing up, or ever contributing. Well why the fuck should that be ok? Profiting off the work of others and not contributing?
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Lord_Raiden
Feb 28 2014 05:42 PM

From what i understood (it was kinda hard due to massive wall of text and no formating) Geralds is only stating his opinion and facts. He said  he agree's with Bobby's post but it wont change too much as there are lots of people out there who dont care and just want to take and not give anything and that they will continue to do it as long as most of the guides are available to public.
 
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And there's the problem as I see it

Guys you are straying away from the topic.

 

 

All we are doing is explaining the situation.  We had a guest permission situation and that has been fixed.  We are also explaining why some guides are locked.  Not all authors will chose to do this, but we will respect their wishes if they want it restricted.

 

 

I am in the same boat as Bobby, I will always share my guides.  But the last thing we want to do is force our beliefs down anyone's throat.

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BobbbyLight
Feb 28 2014 06:12 PM

This isn't about any other site than ours, but of course I think it's how all sites should treat user generated content.

 

That also means this isn't about change.  I understand and agree with what geralds is saying but when we place guide writers' wishes above all else, it doesn't matter what people do or not do in any way of thanks.  If the guide writer wants his or her content shared with a certain group only, that's what happens.

 

I'm only suggesting that people start to give a little more "thank you"s because it is appreciated by people who write guides.  I don't want everyone who reads a guide to do that, but a few would be nice.  At that end of the day, it doesn't matter who does or does not give a thank you, the guide writer can do what they want with their created content.

I personally posted a ton of my guides on several sites. I'd rather my guide be used, even by faceless scrubs, then tucked away.

With that said, I strongly agree with the policy that the content belongs to the guide author, and it's great an author's wishes are respected here.

We allow you to do as you please with the content you create, within the restrictions our forum software allows. That even means if you decide to not be a member here any longer and wish for any guides you created to be taken down, we will do that, no questions asked.

I don't know why this needed to be mentioned. Is there really a site out there that assumes control over what other people have written?

There sadly is a site that does just that. KryptoniteDragon has requested his guides be pulled several times on that site, and they simply refuse to take his guides down. They also apparently had made a book to sell, and included people's guides without requesting author's permission nor offering compensation. I won't name/link them because they have a horrible policy regarding this and therefore don't deserve an ad in this thread.
Great text from Bobbby.

I really enjoyed to see the maturity that the staff and the most active members treated the issue.

IMHO, I think the guides should always be open for everyone, but a "thx" is the minimum that the one that used should do.
I have written some guides here in Brazil since 2009, and it is really nice to hear the feedback from those who used it, even if it is to complain about some misleading information.

;-)

PS.: Before someone says my English is bad... yes, it is... XD
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mattybell2117
Feb 28 2014 07:57 PM

Great text from Bobbby.

I really enjoyed to see the maturity that the staff and the most active members treated the issue.

IMHO, I think the guides should always be open for everyone, but a "thx" is the minimum that the one that used should do.
I have written some guides here in Brazil since 2009, and it is really nice to hear the feedback from those who used it, even if it is to complain about some misleading information.

;-)

PS.: Before someone says my English is bad... yes, it is... XD

 

It always seems to be the people who say "please excuse my english, it's not my first language" who actually speak English well. You speak English a hell of a lot better than many native speakers. 

Your site will fail following those methods.

 

You need to control people and their guides.  Take our site, we do what we want when we want.  And when you post something on my site, it becomes 100% ours.

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fluffy-rabbid
Feb 28 2014 08:11 PM

Am I missing something? ^ what site... And this isn't your site so it doesn't really matter. Fail at what making a site people want to use? oh yeah that's failing .. Maybe im missing something like your point. This site has been running for sometime now and it hasn't failed yet. Im wondering why sign up here if you don't like the site

 

I am personally happy for anyone to use my guides, But if a member here isn't happy too that's there right and choice who sees and uses it

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lordmartock
Feb 28 2014 10:18 PM

A person should be allowed to treat their work as they see fit. 

 

I do believe that quides should be viewable to anyone....and I too am quilty of not saying thanks in guides.  I do agree that it is nice to see someone say thanks....but if I use any quides...I will try to remember to say thanks.  It isn't because I am being unappreciative...I just don't always think that "thanks" are always needed.  Just like I don't think EVERYONE who reads any reviews I have written, have to say "thanks for the read". 

 

PS.: Before someone says my English is bad... yes, it is... XD

 

It always seems to be the people who say "please excuse my english, it's not my first language" who actually speak English well. You speak English a hell of a lot better than many native speakers. 

 

 

Thx... =)

 

 

Your site will fail following those methods.

 

You need to control people and their guides.  Take our site, we do what we want when we want.  And when you post something on my site, it becomes 100% ours.

 

Don't agree with that.

The site's been running for some time and no sign of "failure" at all. Unlike, I see it growing/expanding.

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Robson_Akuma
Mar 01 2014 01:05 PM

I understand why they do this, but it´s say in one way or another...

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Lord_Raiden
Mar 01 2014 02:08 PM

I understand why they do this, but it´s say in one way or another...



And there's the problem

"They"

Not "we"
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popeldipopel
Mar 05 2014 09:19 AM

I think we should offer to the non premium members like me at least a list of guides that are restricted. I only found out by chance that you once had the guide for Diabolic Lovers. I would never have found my way to this site if you locked this game from the beginning. I mean I got stuck with this great site and registered because I found exactly what I was looking for. If you start to lock down guides you will reduce the ability to attract more members also future members who will contribute. I'm willing to contribute and I don't want to be a freeloader but my resources are limited.

 

At this point may I ask why an author decides to write a guide only for the premium members? Lack of gratitude or rather advantage of competition, or is there something else I'm missing here???

 

In any case their decision should be respected although I do not accept it.

 

Please imagine all those articles on Wikipedia getting looked away because no one is showing their gratitude after reading them...

 

By the way, for me trophy hunting is not "competition" it is simply what I like most right now, my hobby!

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BobbbyLight
Mar 05 2014 10:22 AM

I say this not to be confrontational, but just as stating fact.  We don't care how many members we have.  I say that because you ask why we don't hide the premium guides better and it might "mislead" someone to join.  That just isn't the case.  We add redirect links in forums that are view-able to the public, the only problem is that redirect link takes you somewhere only certain members can be seen (premium guides).  We more or less have to do it that way because there is no other good way to sort these guides out so they are easy for the members who can see them.  Adding a redirect link under the correctly titled forum keeps things clean as far as people being able to find what they need, it's just that link might take you to something you can't read.

 

Now, to help people know which guides are "premium", I think we can probably edit the guide's title, but I want to talk to staff.

 

As far as the why as to certain guides being restricted, I'll leave that up to the people who have chosen to restrict that, if they want to respond.

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lordmartock
Mar 05 2014 10:22 AM

This site has never been about the "numbers".  We want "quality" people here.  The person who wrote the guides that are being restricted has every right to have his guides restricted.  He doesn't want a bunch of freeloaders using his guide and not giving a little gratitude in return.

I think we should offer to the non premium members like me at least a list of guides that are restricted. I only found out by chance that you once had the guide for Diabolic Lovers. I would never have found my way to this site if you locked this game from the beginning. I mean I got stuck with this great site and registered because I found exactly what I was looking for. If you start to lock down guides you will reduce the ability to attract more members also future members who will contribute. I'm willing to contribute and I don't want to be a freeloader but my resources are limited.
 
At this point may I ask why an author decides to write a guide only for the premium members? Lack of gratitude or rather advantage of competition, or is there something else I'm missing here???
 
In any case their decision should be respected although I do not accept it.
 
Please imagine all those articles on Wikipedia getting looked away because no one is showing their gratitude after reading them...
 
By the way, for me trophy hunting is not "competition" it is simply what I like most right now, my hobby!



I'm sure we'll put a posting in games forums that have restricted guides in the near future.

Please understand that if someone takes the time to write a guide, they're going above and beyond what's asked of them. That goes with anyone on any site. If an individual writes a guide on this site, they have the option of who can see it. Much like trading games & community goodness, as you work your way up in status you get certain privileges.